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"Good morning, we are now on the video record. Today is Wednesday the 17th day of February, 2010. The time is 11:16 am. We're here at US legal support 444 W Railroad Ave. in West Palm Beach Florida. This is a videotaped deposition of Jeffrey Epstein taken by the plaintiffs of case number 502008CA028051NBAB. The matter of LN vs. Jeffrey Epstein filed in the 15th judicial circuit in and for Palm Beach county Florida. Court reporter is Harry Becker of US legal support, the videographer Joe [Roegner?] of US legal support. Will all council state their appearance for the record." // BE: "Brad Edwards I'm [bleep]." \\ SJ: "My name is Steven Jaffey [bleep]." // MP: "Michael Pike on behalf of Jeffrey Epstein." \\ Woman: "Please raise your right hand. Do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give will be the whole truth, nothing but the truth?" // JE: "Yes ma'am." \\ BE: "Can you give us your name?" // JE: "Jeffery Epstein." \\ BE: "Mr. Epstein, you made a comment when you came in the room that you were appreciate of me being respectful to your housekeeper yesterday and i intend for that to be the same with you today. I want to start by asking you, you know at this point we've gone through a lot of discovery in this case there aren't many disputed facts as to what actually happened at your house and generally i think you would agree that you devised a way for young females to come to your house and engage in varying degrees of sexual activity, some of the girls as young as 12 some of them as old as 17 or so, most in between but as of yet you haven't provided an explanation so I wanted to provide you an opportunity to tell the jury at this time why you did it." // MP: "Object to confusing compound and irrelevant as wording." \\ JE: "You know, I-I'd like to answer that question frankly, however at this time my attorneys have told me that I can't and I must invoke my 5th, 6th, and 14th amendment rights or I risk losing their council. Accordingly therefore I assert those rights. Sorry." // MP: "And in addition to that, I'm going to move to strike council's statement as narrative as well." \\ BE: "I understand. We wanted to provide him the opportunity if today was going to be the day." // MP: "Same thing, move to strike. Narrative." \\ : "Mr. Epstein, how long have you been sexually attracted to underage, minor females?" // MP: "Objection. Harassing. Argumentative." \\ JE: "Are you kidding?" // BE: "No, I mean I don't feel like I'm divulging any secrets here, right?" \\ MP: "Move to strike." // JE: "Well, I'd like to answer that question as well as all of your other questions today however I have to follow my attorney's advice. They have told me that I must invoke my 5th, 6th, and 14th amendment right to not answer those questions today or any questions relevant to this lawsuit. So accordingly I'm going to assert those rights and under the US constitution it's guaranteed by the 5th, 6th and 14th amendment." \\ BE: "Ok. Would you consider yourself addicted to sex with minor females?" // MP: "Same objections." \\ JE: "You know, Mr. Edwards, again I want to be very respectful and as the current US attorney described your law firm as a criminal enterprise and part of one of the largest frauds in Florida's history. It's been reported that your firm has fabricated multiple cases against me in order to fleece unsuspecting investors out of millions and millions of dollars. So unfortunately at this time, though I'd like to answer that question, on the advice of council I'm going to have to refrain and assertt my 5th, 6th and 14th amendment rights." // BE: "Can you then provide an explanation for what relevance that sililoquy of yours has to whether or not you engaged in sex acts with [bleep] when she was a minor?" \\ MP: "Objection. No he can not. Argumentative, compound, harrassing." // BE: "Mr. Pike, with all due respect, it wasn't my idea for him to give this speech about former RRA law firm, I'm just asking him, elaborate on that." \\ MP: "Council I'm working with your follow-up question so I'm objecting and I'm objecting to form and stating the reasons on the record as to why the form is required to be objected to based upon your question." // BE: "Will he elaborate on the relevance of that sililoquy to his touching [bleep] when she was 13, 14 and 15 years old in a sexual manner." \\ MP: "I'm going to object again, argumentative, compound, harassing and irrelevant as worded." // BE: "You can answer." \\ JE: "I'd like to answer however i'm going to have to assert my 5th amendment, 6th amendment and 14th amendment right as advised by my council otherwise i'd - I risk losing their advice." // BE: "Mr. Epstein, have you ever been diagnosed with a sex addiction to minors, by a psychologist or other medical professional?" \\ JE: "I intend to respond to all your questions at some relevant time. However today at the present time my attorneys have counciled me I can not provide the answers to any questions relevant to this lawsuit and I must accept their advice or risk losing my 6th amendment right to effective representation. Accordingly, I assert my 5th, federal 5th, 6th, and 14th amendment rights of the United States constitution." // MP: "In addition to that, Mr. Edwards as the court has ruled in several matters, Mr. Epstein's medical history is not relevant at this time nor has he [unintelligible] at issue in this case." \\ BE: "Understood. Mr. Epstein, were you sexually abused as a minor?" // JE: "Again?" \\ BE: "Were you sexually abused as a minor?" // JE: "You know I'd like to, again, I'd like to respond to all your, if any, questions seem to be relevant but I'd like to respond to any relevant question at this time however my attorneys have counciled me that I cannot provide answers to the questions relevant to this lawsuit today. I must accept their advice or risk losing my 6th amendment right to effective representation. Accordingly, I assert my 5th, 6th, and 14th amendment right to the United States constitution." \\ BE: "Isn't it true that you have engaged in some sexual interaction with hundreds of underage, minor females in the last ten years of your life? Is that true?" // MP: "Objection, relevance." \\ JE: "Mr. Edwards, the current US attorney has described your law firm as a criminal enterprise and part of the largest fraud in Florida's history. It's been reported that your firm fabricated multiple cases, many many multiple cases against me in order to fleece unsuspecting investors out of millions and millions of dollars. Unfortunately, at this time in response to your question, my attorney has advised me that I must assert my 6th amendment, 5th amendment and 14th amendment right. Though I believe you know that I would really like to answer your questions today but at this moment I must assert those rights or risk having my attorneys resign." // BE: "You're invoking your 5th amendment rights to each of these questions because you know that your answers will incriminate you and you feel that it would result in you being prosecuted for these crimes, isn't that right?" \\ MP: "Objection. Argumentative, harassing and calls for a legal conclusion." // JE: "No, in fact the supreme court recently said that the 5th amendment right is there to protect the innocent. So, that's the way I'd like to answer that." \\ BE: "Are you actually telling the jury that you didn't commit the crimes that have been alleged against you by the various females that were underage when you engaged in sex with them? Are you telling the jury that right now?" // MP: "Objection. Argumentative, harassing." \\ JE: "I would like to respond to that question, as you know. However, at the present time my attorneys have counciled me that I cannot provide answers to any questions relevant to this lawsuit and I must accept their advice or risk losing my 6th amendment right to effective representation. Accordingly, I assert my 5th, 6th, and 14th amendment right under the United States constitution." // BE: "Mr. Epstein, you understand that this is the video that will be played to the jury in [bleep] trial against you and [bleep] wants answers, these juries are gonna want, the jury is gonna want answers so I know that you're telling us you're going to respond sometime in the future, but the time is now. Would you like this opportunity to explain why you engaged in sexual activity with [bleep] beginning when she was 13 years old and you were 50 years old?" \\ MP: "I'm gonna object, once again. We're getting way too argumentative with the questioning, the question is compound, it's speculative and it's also harassing. Whether or not this deposition video thereof is played in front of a jury is a question of fact and it will be determined by a judge pursuant to a motion and limiting various portions thereof may or may not be played. So, haivng placed those objections on the record, I'm going to instruct Mr. Epstein not to answer that question." // BE: "Mr. Pike, I'm not sure if you watched the 13 hours of harassing questions to Ms. [bleep] that she sometimes invoked her 5th amendment rights and I understand the adverse inference that will be given, and she was made to answer these questions and these exact same questions were asked of her, in fact, I'm using the phraseology from Mr. Lutier[?]. I'm not trying to harass him, I'm simply asking him to explain to the jury - if you're saying it didn't happen, say it didn't happen. If you're saying it did happpen, explain to the jury why you did it. That's all we want to hear. I'm being respectful." \\ MP: "In an effort to keep a clean record and be respectful to the court reporter, I'd rather than have a diatribe back and forth between you and myself, I'm gonna move to strike your last statement as irrelevant. Let's move on." // BE: "Mr. Epstein, is it true you were born January 20th, 1953?" \\ JE: "Yes." // BE: "Where?" \\ JE: "New York." // BE: "Where in New York?" \\ JE: "Brooklyn." // BE: "Did you go to high school there?" \\ JE: "Yes, sir." // BE: "Where?" \\ JE: "Lafayette High School." // BE: "After high school, did you attend college?" \\ JE: "Yes, sir." // BE: "And where was that?" \\ JE: "New York." // BE: "What college did you attend?" \\ JE: "Cooper Union." // BE: "I'm sorry I didn't-" \\ JE: "Cooper union." // BE: "And did you get a degree from Cooper Union?" \\ JE: "No, sir." // BE: "How many years were you in college?" \\ JE: "I believe two." // BE: "What did you study?" \\ JE: "Physics." // BE: "And why did you leave college early?" \\ JE: "I intent to respond to all relevant questions regarding this lawsuit. However, at the present time, my attorneys have counciled me that I cannot provide answers to questions that may be relevant in this lawsuit. So accordingly I assert my constitutional rights as guaranteed by the 5th, 6th and 14th amendment." // BE: "Are you invoking your 5th amendment right as to why you left college? Is it safe then, to presume that that answer you believe would incriminate you in some way?" \\ MP: "Ok, I'm gonna move to strike. Speculative, argumentative, harassing, calls for a legal conclusion, and I know exactly what you're trying to do here Mr. Edwards, is lace the record with questions that would ultimately give you an adverse inference at any potential trial of this matter. So having put that on the record, I'm gonna instruct him not to answer that question based upon his 5th, 6th and 14th amendment rights to the United States constitution." // BE: "With all due respect, you cannot invoke his 5th amendment right, your attorneys instructed me in that fashion and Tatum Miller had to do it herself so I'd like to hear it from Mr. Epstein, can we assume that by you invoking your 5th amendment right as to why you left college early that that answer you feel would incriminate you?" \\ MP: "Again, move to strike for the same reasons. You can -" // JE: "I've already answered the question, but i'll restate the answer if need be. I intend to respond and I'd like to respond to all your questions today, however my council has advised me that I must take the 5th, 6th and 14th amendment right as under the US Constitution." \\ BE: "Ok. After college, where were you employed?" // JE: "I'd like to respond to all your questions today however on the advice of the council I intend to take the 5th, 6th and 14th amendment right as provided by the United States constitution or risk losing my council's representation." \\ BE: "Isn't it true that you were a teacher at the Dalton school in New York after college?" // JE: "Again I'd like to respond to all your questions however my attorneys have counciled me that I cannot provide answers to any questions today regarding to this lawsuit. So I must accept their advice or risk losing my 6th amendment right to effective representation. Accordingly I assert my constitutional rights as guaranteed by the 5th, 6th and 14th amendment of the constitution." \\ BE: "Mr. Epstein did you have sex with any underage students while teaching at the Dalton school?" // JE: "Could you repeat that?" \\ BE: "Yes. Did you have sex with any underage students while teaching at the Dalton school in New York?" // JE: "Mr. Edwards, your firm has been described by the US attorney as one of the largest - a criminal enterprise perpetrating one of the largest frauds in Florida's history. It's been reported that your firm fabricated multiple cases against me and others in order to fleece unsuspecting investors out of millions and millions of dollars. Unfortunately at this time, in response to your question my attorneys have advised me that I must assert my 6th amendment, 5th amendment, and 14th amendment rights. Though I believe you know i'd really like to answer your questions, but at this moment I must assert those rights or risk having my attorneys resign." \\ BE: "Mr. Pike, I think you know that he has a couple options here, he can answer questions or he can invoke his 5th amendment rights. This non-responsive verbiage regarding the RRA law firm is not one of the options. It's inappropriate in a deposition and I'd ask that you instruct your client not to obstruct this process any further. I'm not going to terminate the deposition, I want it to finish. But obviously, this is going to be the subject matter of some motion in the courts and you know that the judges are not going to appreciate this, so I'd like it if we could just move this process along by eliminating that portion of his answer. I understand what he's saying, I get it, but that's not something responsive to any of these questions and I think that you know it's inappropriate." // MP: "I think the deponent is answering the questions, so if you believe the responses are inappropriate, I feel that you can take it up with the court with the motion that you're speaking of as you've done several times before." \\ BE: "After leaving the Dalton school, is it true that you began working as a money manager at Bear Stearns?" // JE: "I intend to respond to all your questions regarding this lawsuit at some relevant time. However, at the present time my attorneys have counciled me that I cannot provide answers to any questions relevant to this lawsuit. Since the US attorney has described your law firm as a criminal enterprise, Mr. Edwards, and a part of the largest fraud in Florida's history, I am going to assert my 6th amendment, 5th amendment and 14th amendment right under the US constitution." \\ BE: "Isn't it true that while you were working at Bear Sterns you were already engaging in sex with underage minors?" // JE: "Again, I believe you know the answers to those questions but - may I finish?" \\ MP: "Move to strike. Let the witness answer your question." // BE: "I would love for him to answer the questions." \\ MP: "Mr. Edwards, as you know, there are serious 5th, 6th and 14th amendment constituional rights at issue here and the witness is attempting to answer your questions to the best of his ability, despite how laced they are with adverse inferences, presumptions." // BE: "I don't want the adverse inferences, I want the answers, that's it." \\ MP: "So, having said that, please allow the witness to answer the question." // BE: "I will." \\ JE: "Could you repeat the question?" // BE: "Isn't it true that while working at Bear Sterns you were already engaging in sex with underage minor females?" \\ JE: "As your firm has been described by the US attorney as a criminal enterprise, using some of the cases fabricated against me personally, I would like to answer that question today. However, on advice of council I must assert my 5th, 6th and 14th amendment rights under the US Constitution or in fact risk losing their representation." // BE: "At some point in time while at Bear Stearns, you met and managed the money for a fellow named Leslie Wexner, correct?" \\ JE: "Again. I would like to answer all questions relevant to this lawsuit but today I must exert my 5th amendment, 6th amendment and 14th amendment right under the US constitution." // BE: "In fact, I read in another deposition of yours that you do not consider yourself to be homosexual, correct? You've answered that question before." \\ JE: "Correct." // BE: "Do you consider yourself to be bisexual?" \\ JE: "No." // BE: "In any event, you did develop a sexual relationship with Leslie Wexner in some point in time, is that true?" \\ JE: "No." // BE: "Ok. Did you have a business relationship with Mr. Wexner?" \\ JE: "I intend to respond to all relevant questions. I'd like to answer most of your questions, Mr. Edwards, today but however especially since your firm has been described by the United States attorney in south Florida as a criminal enterprise purported to - purported to have put off, pulled off the largest fraud in Florida's history, I would like to answer them however my attorneys today have counciled me that I must assert my 5th, 6th, and 14th amendment right under the US constitution and therefore I'm going to do that." // BE: "Are you saying that because Rothstein, Rosenfelt, Adler was determined to be a criminal enterprise or somebody was running a criminal enterprise out of that law firm, that is the reason why you're not going to answer these questions today? You link back together in that answer I just want to make sure I'm understanding that right." \\ JE: "I'm going to take the 5th amendment, I intend to respond to all relevant questions today, I would like to respond, unfortunately my attorneys have counciled me I can't, I must assert my 5th, 6th and 14th amendment rights under the US constitution." // BE: "Because other law firms have asked very similar questions and you haven't responded to any of theirs either, so I just want to understand what the relationship between Rothstein, Rosenfelt, Adler is to you invoking your 5th amendment rights today, if you can articulate that for me." \\ MP: "Form, compound, argumentative." // JE: "Rothstein, Rosenfelt, Adler has been described by the US Attorney as a criminal enterprise and as part of the largest fraud in Florida's history, it has been reported that your firm fabricated multiple cases using me and against me, in order to fleece unsuspecting investors out of millions of dollars." \\ BE: "Another longtime friend of yours is Ghislane Maxwell, right?" // JE: "I intend to respond to all relevant questions, I'd like to answer most of these questions today, but I can't because my attorneys have counciled me to not provide answers to any questions relevant to this lawsuit and I must accept their advice or risk losing my 6th amendment right to effective representation. Therefore I'm going to assert my constitutional rights under the 5th, 6th and 14th amendments. Excuse me, could we take a break." \\ BE: "Already?" // JE: "Just. Restroom. Yes?" \\ [unintelligible] {interview resumes} // Male voice: "We're back on the video record at 11:48am." \\ BE: "How did you meet Ghislane Maxwell?" // JE: "I intend to respond to all relevant questions in this lawsuit. However at the present time my attorneys have counciled me that I cannot provide answers to any questions relevant to this lawsuit and must accept this advice or risk losing my effective - my right to effefctive representation accordingly therefore I assert my 5th, 6th and 14th amendment rights of the US constitution." \\ BE: "You would agree, would you not, that Ghislane Maxwell shares your sexual obsession for underage minor females?" // MP: "Argumentative, speculation, harassing." // JE: "You know, Mr. Edwards, the current US attorney has described your law firm as a criminal enterprise and one of the, as taking part in one of the largest frauds in Florida's history. It has been widely reported that your firm fabricated multiple cases of a sexual nature against people, other people, and me, in order to fleece unsuspecting investors out of millions of dollars so unfortunately at this time, in response to your questions, my attorneys have advised me that I must assert my 6th amendment, 5th amendment and 14th amendment rights though I believe as you know I'd really like to answer your questions but at this moment I must assert those rights or risk losing my attorney, risk losing effective council." \\ [bleep] // JE: "I intend to respond to all relevant questions regarding this lawsuit. However at the present time my attorneys have counciled me that I cannot provide answers to any questions relevant to this lawsuit. Your firm has been described as a criminal enterprise as part of the largest fraud in Florida's history., fabricating sexual cases against me and others. And therefore unfortunately, though I'd like to answer all of your questions today, I'm going to have to assert my 5th, 6th and 14th amendment right." \\ BE: "Did you and Ghislane Maxwell sexually assault [bleep] at Leslie Wexner's house?" // JE: "I intend to respond to all relevant questions regarding this lawsuit. However at the present time my attorneys have counciled me that I cannot provide answers to any questions relevant to this lawsuit and must accept this advice or risk losing my 6th amendment right to effective representation. Accordingly, I assert my constitutional rights as guaranteed by the 5th, 6th and 14th amendments to the US constitution." \\ BE: "Mr. Epstein, Ghislane Maxwell and you have devised several schemes to lure underage girls to you for sex, isn't that correct?" // MP: "Form. Argumentative. Harassing." \\ JE: "Mr. Edwards, your firm has fabricated multiple cases, sexual harassment claims and other types of sexual cases against me and others in order to be part of what the US attorney described as the largest fraud, the largest fraud in Florida's history. I'd like to answer all your questions however my attorneys have counciled me at least today I must assert my 5th, 6th and 14th amendment rights under the US constitution." // BE: "Do you own a home in Manhattan?" \\ JE: "I intend to respond to all relevant questions regarding this lawsuit. However at the present time my attorneys have counciled me that I cannot provide answers to any questions relevant to this lawsuit. And I must accept that advice or risk losing my 6th amendment right to effective representation. Accordingly, therefore I'm going to assert my 5th, 6th and 14th amendment right under the US constitution." // BE: "Do you own an island in the US Virgin Islands?" \\ JE: "I intend to respond to all relevant questions regarding this lawsuit. However at the present time my attorneys have counciled me that I cannot provide answers to any questions relevant to this lawsuit, no matter how much I'd like to. Therefore I must accept their advice or risk losing my 6th amendment right to effective representation. Therefore I'm going to assert my 5th, 6th and 14th amendment right under the US constitution." // BE: "Do you own a home in New Mexico?" \\ JE: "I intend to respond to all relevant questions regarding this lawsuit, and as I've had to do with most of your questions here today I'm gonna have to take my attorney's advice to assert my 5th, 6th and 14th amendment rights under the US constitution or risk losing effective representation." // BE: "Is it true that you have had underage females at each of those homes for orgies with you and Ghislane Maxwell?" \\ MP: "Form: argumentative, speculation and harassing." // JE: "I would like to answer that question, I really would. However, as your firm has been described by the US attorney as a criminal enterprise with principal purpose was racketeering conspirace to generate money for the firm and it's co-conspirattors through the operation and enterprise through various activities including mail fraud, wire fraud and money laundering. And fabricating multiple sex cases against me and others. Though I'd like to answer your question today, Mr. Edwards, my council has advised I must take the 5th. 6th and 14th amendment right provided by the US constitution." \\ BE: "Do you know somebody named [redacted]?" // SJ: "Could you spell that for the record?" \\ JE: "No." // SJ: "Or for the court report?" \\ BE: "You don't know that name?" // JE: "No. Could you spell it?" \\ BE: "Did your sexual obsession with underage minor females grow at some point in time to allow you access to these underage minors every single day for sex?" // MP: "Over broad, speculation argumentitive compound harassing and confusion. Confusing as worded. You want to break it down, Mr. Edwards?" \\ BE: "Is it true that for the past 10 years you have found a way to engage with sexual conduct with underage minors on an every day basis?" // MP: "Objection, speculation, argumentative." \\ JE: "As your firm has been described as a criminal enterprise by the US attorney and is part of the scheme to defraud people in south Florida of millions of dollars you have fabricated sexual cases and sexual claims against people like me and others. Unfortunately at this time though I'd like to answer your question Mr. Edwards, my council has advised me I cannot and they have advised me i must assert 5th, 6th and 14th amendment rights under the constitution." // BE: "Is it true that you have promised underage minors money or other benefits to engage in sexual conduct with you over the past 10 years?" \\ JE: "Again, as I have answered many of your questions today and unfortunately i'm probably going to end up answering most of your questions today, as your firm has been described, the firm bringing this lawsuit, i believe has been described, if i'm wrong please correct me, as -" // BE: "You're wrong." \\ JE: "Ok. This is the firm that didn't notice this depositon?" // BE: "Did not." \\ JE: "Originally? No? I apologize. Your former firm has been described and the person you represent Tatum Miller in this case was represented by the firm that was described by the US attorney as perpetrating one of the largest frauds in south Florida's history. Fabricating multiple sexual cases against me and others in order to fleece unsuspecting investors out of millions and millions of dollars. So though unfortunately I'd like to answer each one of your questions today my council advised me i must assert my 6th amendment, 14th amendment and 5th amendment right. Though I believe you know I'd like to answer these questions. At this moment I must assert those rights or risk losing my attorneys." // BE: "Sure let's test that answer let's talk about Jane Doe 102, Jane Doe 102 [bleep] who was represented by Bob Josephberg's firm, Pothurst Orsec, had nothing to with Rothstein, Rosenfelt, Adler. Do you know [bleep]?" \\ JE: "So she's - again, who?" // BE: "[bleep]." \\ JE: "Can you spell it?" // BE: "Common spelling. [bleep]." \\ JE: "Can you spell it for me please?" // BE: "[bleep]." \\ JE: "What's the last name, how's it spelled?" // BE: "[bleep] I believe." \\ JE: "I intend to respond to all relevant questions regardint this lawsuit however the present time my attorneys have counciled me I cannot provide answers to any questions that may be relevant to this lawsuit and I must accept this advice or risk losing my 6th amendment to effective representation. Accordingly I assert my constitutional rights guaranteed by the 5th, 6th, and 14th amendment to the constitution." // BE: "And just for the record I can only spell it the way it was spelled in your flight logs from your airplane I don't know exactly how she spells her name only how your pilot would spell her name." \\ MP: "Form speculation argumentative harassing." // BE: "That's harassing?" \\ MP: "And assumes facts currently not in evidence in this particular deposition and therefore move to strike." // BE: "I was responding to his question asking me how to spell her name. I don't know how, other than his own pilot." \\ MP: "Mr. Edwards he asked you to spell the name, you spelled the name and then you went on another narrative there wasn't a question posed on the floor." // BE: "You would agree that you interacted with [bleep] every day in a sexual way when she was 15 years old. Right?" \\ JE: "Again, sir?" // BE: "So you would agree that you interacted with [bleep] on an every day basis when she was 15 years old?" \\ JE: "You know, again Mr. Edwards I'd like to answer all your questions here today my attorneys have asked me advised me i must assert my 6th amendment 14th amendment and 5th amendment rights provided by the US constitution and the fact that the current US attorney has described your law firm as a criminal enterprise one of the largest frauds in Florida's history for fabricating sexual cases of a sexual nature against me and others unfortunately though I'd like to answer those questions if I do I risk losing my attorneys council. Therefore I must assert my rights." // BE: "Alright, madam court reporter I'm going to attach as an exhibit the jane doe number 102 vs Jeffery Epstein complaint at some point in time, it doesn't have to be done now but it's going to be exhibit 1 as i'm gonna go through some of the facts alleged in the complaint and as will be testified by to by the plaintiff." \\ MP: "Council, do you have an extra copy of that for me?" // BE: "No." \\ MP: "May I look at it real quick?" // BE: "No. Would you agree that you - it has my notes on it." \\ MP: "No I understood I saw -" // BE: "But the notes are in a highlighter so when we copy it, it's not gonna show up and you can have a copy then." \\ MP: "Ok. Understood that's fine. Just for the record that is a current operative pleading, correct?" // BE: "Correct." \\ JE: "What does that mean?" // MP: "It means that that that there may have been some amendments to a complaint i wanna make sure that that is the operative complainant issue that he's speaking from today." \\ JE: "Can I go off the record sir? {to MP} Can I ask you a question?" // BE: "Sure." \\ MP: "Can we take a break for a second?" // BE: "Again?" \\ JE: "Just a quick -" // MP: "Just wanna speak with him for a second." \\ SJ: "Going off the video record at 12:01 pm." // SJ: "We're back on the video record at 12:02 pm." \\ BE: "Is it true Mr. Epstein that you and Ghislane Maxwell forced [bleep] to have sex with you on a daily basis?" // MP: "Form argumentative harassing." \\ JE: "Unfortunately at this time, though I'd really like to answer those questions. Like I've done for most of your questions here today, Mr. Edwards, your firm was described as a criminal enterprise a serious criminal enterprise by the current US attorney. Part of that criminal enterprise was fabricating cases of a sexual nature against me and others. In order to fleece unsuspecting investors out of millions of dollars. So unfortunately at this time no matter how I'd like to respond to your questions I must assert my 6th amendment, 14th amendment and 5th amendment rights to the US constitution or risk having my attorneys resign." // BE: "Is it true that [bleep] was yours and Ghislane Maxwell's sex slave since the time she was 15 through the time she escaped when she was 19?" \\ MP: "Again objection, argumentatinve harassing." // JE: "Mr. Edwards your firm has been described as the excuse me a criminal enterprise by the current US attorney. And part of the largest fraud in Florida's history. Part of that fraud is fabricating multiple cases against people like me and others of a sexual nature. In order to fleece unsuspecting investors out of millions and millions of dollars. So though I'd like to answer that question, my attorneys have told me today I must assert my 6th amendment, 14th amendment and 5th amendment right." \\ BE: "Is it true that you and Ghislane Maxwell celebrated her 16th birthday with her and had sex with her on that day?" // MP: "Form. Compound, confusing argumentative and harassing." \\ JE: "Mr. Edwards I'd like to answer that question. The attorneys told me today that I have to at least today assert my 5th amendment, 6th amendment, 14th amendment rights to the US constitution especially my concern is that your firm has filed fraudulent lawsuits fabricated lawsuits and the US attorney the current US attorney has described your firm as a criminal enterprise that whose main purpose was to generate money for the firm and it's co-conspirators through the operation of various criminal activities including mail fraud, wire fraud, and money laundering." // BE: "Are you saying that the complaint of [bleep] against you the allegations in that complaint are false?" \\ MP: "Form misinterprets the witness' testimony." // BE: "Well are you saying it's true?" \\ MP: "Same objection." // BE: "It's either true or false." \\ JE: "When I said, maybe I'll repeat myself, unfortunately. But the current US Attorney has described your law firm [bleep] was involved in the following [bleep] motions I'm sorry, do you wanna tell me what it was then? When you try to tell me the infirm's involvement in this lawsuit so I - since we'll be here the rest of the day?" // BE: "Answer the question." \\ JE: "Fine. The US attorney has described that firm as a criminal enterprise perpetrating one of the largest frauds in Florida's history against unsuspecting investors, fleecing them out of millions of dollars by creating crafting and fabricating fellatious, sexual complaints against people like me and others; So unfortunately, though I'd like to answer your questions Mr. Edwards, my councils advised me that at least today I must assert my 6th amendment, 5th amendment and 14th amendment rights to the US constitution." // BE: "Is it true, sir, and I'm reading from the complaint filed by [bleep] against you, is it true sir that a friend of yours sent you three 12-year-old females for you to sexually abuse on one of your birthdays?" \\ MP: "Form, argumentative harassing and irrelevant to this lawsuit." // JE: "You're saying that's part of the lawsuit?" \\ BE: "Yeah, I'll read it directly. On one of defendant Epstein's birthdays, a friend of defendant Epstein sent him three 12-year-old girls from France who spoke no English for defendant to sexually exploit and abuse. After doing so, they were sent back to France the next day. Isn't that true?" // MP: "Again, I'm gonna move to strike. Irrelevant, argumentative, harassing and for the record the exhibit that's being read from is a complaint that is unrelated to the instant matter and not filed or incorporated by the current plaintiff [bleep] in this matter." \\ JE: "I would like to answer that question. I really would. However today my attorneys have told me I have to assert my 5th amendment, 6th amendment and 14th amendment rights to the US constitution. Especially because the your firm involved in this lawsuit has fabricated wildly reported multiple cases of sexual harassment cases against individuals like me and others perpetrating what the US attorney called one of the largest frauds in Florida's history, fleecing people out of millions of dollars. So though I'd like to answer that question today I have to assert those rights or lose or risk losing my attorney's council." // BE: "Is it true that you forced [bleep] as a 15-year-old girl to have sex with numerous friends of yours?" \\ JE: "Are you kidding?" // BE: "Reading from a lawsuit." \\ JE: "Oh you're reading from a lawsuit. So sorry, Mr. Edwards. I'm gonna have to, though I'd like to answer that question as well, as I've answered most of your other questions here today, I would like to respond, my attorneys have advised me however I must assert my 5th amendment, 6th amendment and 14th amendment rights under the US constitution. Especially as your firm has been accused by the US attorney as a - being a criminal enterprise and part of the largest fraud in Florida's history. Basically I'm sorry, can't read correctly the operation of the enterprise through various criminal including mail fraud, wire fraud and money laundering, fabricating sexual harassment cases against people like me and others." // BE: "By the way." \\ JE: "Yes?" // BE: "Didn't [bleep] receive a round trip ticket paid for by you to [bleep] and she ultimately did not get back on the plane but instead escaped to [bleep]?" \\ JE: "I'd like to answer that question but today I'm gonna have to assert my 6th amendment right, my 5th amendment right and my 14th amendment rights under the US constitution. Especially since your firm has been described as perpetrating one of the largest frauds in Florida's history, fleecing investors out of millions of dollars, being described by the US attorney of south Florida as being a criminal enterprise, engaged in various criminal activities including mail fraud, wire fraud, and money laundering." // BE: "Do you know a man named Jean Luc Brunel?" \\ JE: "Can you spell it?" // BE: "He was at your house last week. Does that remind you?" \\ MP: "Form. Move to strike. Speculation, argumentative, harassing. Is there a question on the table, Mr. Edwards?" // BE: "Yes. Do you know him?" \\ JE: "Could you spell his name for me, please?" // BE: "I don't need to spell his name. You know who I'm talking about. Mr. Brunel." \\ JE: "I'm sorry, could you - Mr. what?" // BE: "B R U N E L." \\ JE: "I see. I would like to answer that question as well but my attorneys have counciled me that today I'm gonna have to assert my 6th amendment rights, my 5th amendment rights and my 14th amendment rights under the US constitution or risk losing my right to effective representation." // BE: "What's the purpose of you asking me to spell his name, are you acting like you don't know him?" \\ MP: "Form. Move to strike. Argumentative, and irrelevant as worded. Mr. Edwards you know that there are various standing orders, if not in this case in various other cases that specifically describes the protections of the 5th amendment. Federal courts have ordered that certain questions that you're asking shall not be answered or Mr. Epstein would risk losing his 5th amendment right -" // BE: "I understand that. I'm asking him to spell people's names." \\ MP: "- wait a second, under the United States constitution. A lot of these questions here today you're asking have already been ruled on by various courts that the 5th amendment protects any response. So I would like it, I'm giving you some leeway here with regard to these argumentative questions. We've already - and I'm not, obviously, testifying for the witness - but, we've already handled a lot of these issues in court and we've already adjourned one deposition for being argumentative and I think you understand what the court said there, so having said that and I understand that you have a job to do but having said that I would like to caution you, professionaly, that if you continue with your argumentative questions, I am going to have to terminate this deposition and -" // BE: "Do what you have to do Mr. Pike, I completely understand." \\ MP: "We're here today - i'm sorry - just go ahead." // BE: "Mr. Brunel is -" \\ MP: "I want the court to know that we're here today to allow you to ask your questions, but the harassing and the argumentative tone is not going to be tolerated -" \\ BE: "There's a video, we can show the court the tone it's obvious not harassing. Mr Brunel is a longtime friend of yours, right?" // JE: "I intend to respond to all relevant questions to this lawsuit however today my attorneys have counciled me that i cannot provide answers to any questions that may be relevant to this lawsuit. And I must accept their advice or risk losing my 6th amendment right to effective representation." \\ BE: "You know him as somebody who has been caught engaging in sex with underage minors in the past, is that correct?" // MP: "Form." \\ JE: "You'll have to repeat the question, I'm sorry." // BE: "You know Mr. Brunel as somebody who has been caught engaging in sex with minors in the past, is that correct?" \\ MP: "Form." // JE: "Sure. I intend to respond to all relevant questions regarding this lawsuit however at the present time my attorneys have counciled me that I cannot provide answers to any questions relevant to this lawsuit and I must accept their advice or risk losing my 6th amendment right to effective representation. As your firm has been described by the US attorney as a criminal enterprise and part of one of the largest frauds in Florida's history, it specifically said that you've been fabricating - the law firm was fabricating multiple cases involving sexual of a sexual nature in order to fleece unsuspecting investors out of millions of dollars. Out of millions of dollars including mail fraud, wire fraud and money laundering. So unfortunately though I'd like to answer all your questions here today, I must assert my 6th amendment, 14th amendment and 5th amendment right." \\ BE: "When you were involved in a modeling business with him called MC Squared, is that correct?" // JE: "Again?" \\ BE: "You were involved in a modeling agency with Mr. Brunel called MC Squared." // JE: "Involved means what? I'm sorry. What do you mean?" \\ BE: "You tell us you tell the jury your involvement with the modeling agency, you can clarify." // MP: "Form." \\ BE: "I'll let you do that." // JE: "I intend to respond to all relevant questions regarding this lawsuit. However at the present time my attorneys have counciled me that I cannot provide answers to any questions relevant to this lawsuit and I must accept their advice or risk losing my 5th, 6th and 14th amendment rights under the US constitution." \\ BE: "And when you were being criminally investigated and [bleep] was in [bleep] is it true that you made a personal telephone call to her telling her not to come forward with any of the information she knew?" // MP: "Form." \\ JE: "Again, sorry, this - I don't-" // BE: "When you were being - putting a time frame on the time here when you were being criminally investigated -" \\ JE: "What time frame was that?" // BE: "In her complaint it's not specific. But at some point - let's just make it whenever. At some point in time did you place a telephone call to [bleep] in Australia warning her not to come forward with any information about you engaging in sex with her when she was a minor?" \\ MP: "Form." // JE: "I intend to respond to all relevant questions regarding this lawsuit. However at the present time my attorneys have counciled me that I cannot provide answers to any questions relevant to this lawsuit and I must accept their advice or risk losing my 6th amendment right to effective representation." \\ BE: "With respect to underage females, isn't it true that you have made the statement in quotes the younger the better?" // MP: "Form." \\ JE: "Again, as your firm has been described by the current US attorney as a criminal enterprise involved in mail fraud, wire fraud, money laundering and specifically crafting fabricating multiple cases of sexual of a sexual nature against people like me and others in order to fleece many many unsuspecting investors out of millions of dollars I would like to answer your questions here today, Mr. Edwards. But unfortunately my attorneys have counciled me that I must assert my 5th, 6th and 14th amendment right or they will resign." // BE: "Who are your current employees?" \\ MP: "Form." // JE: "Again?" \\ BE: "Who are your current employees? People who work for you that you pay." // JE: "I intend to respond to all relevant questions regarding this lawsuit.However at the present time my attorneys have counciled me that I cannot provide answers to any questions that may be relevant to this lawsuit or risk losing my 5th amendment, 6th amendment right to effective representation. Accordingly, therefore I must assert my 5th amendment, 6th amendment and 14th amendment rights as provided by the US constitution." \\ BE: "Isn't it true that you pay your employees to bring you underage minor females for sex?" // MP: "Form argumentative speculation harassing." \\ JE: "Mr. Edwards your firm has been described by the current US attorney as a criminal enterprise a criminal enterprise, part of the largest fraud in south Florida's history. By - part of the fraud was fabricating ficticious cases against me - excuse me, people like me of a sexual nature in order fo fleece unsuspecting investors out of millions of dollars. Unfortunately though at this time though I'd like to answer every one of your questions my attorneys have advised me I must assert my 6th amendment, 14th amendment and 5th amendment rights or risk losing them as my attorneys." // BE: "Is it true when underage females were brought to you, you would engage in sex with them and pay them?" \\ MP: "Form argumentative harassing." // BE: "Are you shaking your head to say no?" \\ JE: "Excuse me?" // BE: "Are you shaking your head no? I don't know how to interpret that answer." \\ JE: "I didn't realize I was shaking my head." // MP: "One second -" \\ BE: "That is actually answering the question." // MP: "Move to strike. The rules are well known to every lawyer who practices in the state of Florida and it's clear that nodding the head or shaking the head is not understood by the record therefore Mr. Epstein clearly was not responding to one of your questions and you know that, Mr. Edwards." \\ BE: "This is on video." // MP: "None the less, you know the rules. We have a question on the table, would you please repeat it so I can recall it and so Mr. Epstein can endeavor to answer it." \\ BE: "Sure. And if it was only a court reporter I would agree but the jury's gonna see a video and everybody knows commonly if somebody shakes their head they're saying no if that was the answer I wanted to give him a chance to elaborate on it. That's it. Isn't it true that when underage females would come to your house you would engage in sexual activity with them and then pay them?” // MP: “Same objections.” \\ JE: “Unfortunately I’d like to answer that question today but my attorneys have counciled me that I must assert my 6th amendment right, my 5th amendment right and my 14th amendment rights under the US constitution. The fact that your firm has been described as a criminal enterprise and part of one of the largest frauds in south Florida’s history part of that fraud has been described as fabricating cases of a sexual nature against me and others in order to fleece unsuspecting investors out of millions of dollars. I would like to answer that question, Mr. Edwards, however, today I must assert my 5th, 6th and 14th amendment rights.” // BE: “In addition to paying these underage females for sexual activity you also paid them to bring their underage friends to you to also engage in sexual activity with.” \\ MP: “Form.” // BE: “Correct?” \\ JE: “I intend to respond to all relevant questions regarding this lawsuit. However, at the present time, my attorneys have counseled me that I may not. And I must assert, they advised me I must assert my 6th amendment right, my 5th amendment and my 14th amendment right under the US constitution.” // BE: “You would pay underage females $200-$300 for engaging in sexual activity with you or for procuring another underage female to engage in sexual activity with. Is that correct?” \\ MP: “Form. Move to strike. Assumes facts not in evidence and calls for a legal conclusion as well.” // JE: “I intend to respond to all relevant questions regarding this lawsuit. However, at the present time, my attorneys have counseled me that I cannot provide answers to any questions that may be relevant to this lawsuit and I must accept their advice or risk losing my 6th amendment right to effective representation. Accordingly therefore I must assert my constitutional rights as guaranteed by the 5th, 6th and 14th amendment to the US constitution.” \\ BE: “Would you agree that your scheme was devised to coerce these underage minors to bring you as many other underage minors as were available for you to engage in sexual activity with?” // MP: “Form.” \\ JE: “Can you repeat the question?” // BE: “Yeah. Would you agree that your scheme was devised to coerce underage girls into bringing as many other underage girls to you as were available for sexual purposes?” \\ MP: “Form.” // JE: “Did you say for sexual purposes?” \\ BE: “Yes, for sexual purposes.” // JE: “I’m not surprised, sorry. Since your firm was described as perpetrating one of the largest frauds in Florida’s history by crafting fabricated sexual harassment cases against people like me and others in order to fleece unsuspecting investors out of millions of dollars. I would like to answer that question, however today my attorneys have advised me I must assert my 6th amendment, 5th amendment and 14th amendment right under the US constitution and if I don’t do so, I risk losing effective representation.” \\ BE: “Utilizing this method of using underaged minors to bring you other underaged minors, you were able to engage in sex with hundreds of underage minor females, is that true?” // MP: “Form. Argumentative, harassing, calls for speculation.” \\ JE: “Since, Mr. Edwards, your firm has been described as a criminal enterprise by the US attorney and as part of the largest fraud in south Florida’s history and as part of the fraud, fabricating malicious cases of sexual harassment and other cases of sexual nature against people like me and others. Though I’d like to answer that question today, my attorneys advised me I must assert my 6th amendment, 14th amendment and 5th amendment rights of the US constitution. Though I believe you know I’d really like to answer your questions, but at this moment if I don’t assert those rights I risk having my attorneys resign.” // BE: “Is it true that with this method you were able to interact sexually with underage girls every single day?” \\ MP: “Form [unintelligible].” // JE: “Could you repeat it?” \\ BE: “Sure. With this method of using -” // JE: “This method being what? Sorry.” \\ BE: “Your method of using underage minors to bring you other underage minors for sex, isn’t it true that that method resulted in you engaging in sexual activity with underage minors on an every day basis?” // MP: “Same objections.” \\ JE: “Your firm has been described by the current US attorney as a criminal enterprise engaged in one of the largest frauds in south Florida’s history and as part of that fraud, creating fabricating malicious cases of a sexual nature against people like me and others. So, unfortunately, though I’d like to answer that question today, I must assert my 6th amendment, 14th amendment and 5th amendment rights that my council has advised me to do. Though I believe you know i’d really like to answer those questions today, I must assert those rights or risk losing my attorneys representation.” // BE: “To keep track of all of these underage minors, you stored their names and telephone numbers in your home computer, isn’t that correct?” \\ MP: “Form argumentative, speculation.” // JE: “Again?” \\ BE: “Are you gonna answer the question or just read? If you are going to answer the question, of course -” // MP: “Excuse me.” \\ BE: “- I’ll keep reading it as many times.” // MP: “One second. Witness is attempting to answer your question he asked you to repeat the question.” \\ BE: “He is?” // MP: “He asked you to repeat the question.” \\ BE: “And I don’t mind going through that, Mike, because I want answers but if I’m going to repeat the question multiple times and still get the same answer we’re just wasting time. I’m just trying to stop us from wasting time repeating questions if I’m going to keep getting the same non-responsive answer.” // MP: “I understand your intention here, however these questions are similar in nature, if not identical to various questions that you’ve asked in other cases so you coming here today is of no surprise that Mr. Epstein is required to invoke his 5th, 6th and 14th amendment rights underneath the United States constitution.” \\ BE: “I understand that.” // MP: “If you came here today thinking that you were going to pull a rabbit out of a hat and get, you know, and Mr. Epstein was going to waive his 5th, 6th and 14th amendment rights to the United States constitution at least not today, that will not be occurring.” \\ BE: “Isn’t it true that to keep track of the names and phone numbers of these underage minor females you interacted with sexually you stored those names and phone numbers in your home computer?” // JE: “Thank you. I’ve heard the question. It doesn’t sit - again, I’ve now heard your question and the fact that your firm has been described as a criminal enterprise by the current US attorney in south Florida and part of one of the largest frauds in Florida’s history. It is reported that your firm fabricated malicious cases of a sexual nature against people and against me in order to fleece unsuspecting investors out of millions of dollars. Unfortunately, though I’d like to answer each one of your questions today, Mr. Edwards, my attorneys have advised me that I must assert my 6th amendment, 5th amendment and 14th amendment rights under the US constitution. So though I’d like to answer, I must assert those rights or risk having my attorneys resign.” \\ BE: “Do you know [bleep]?” // JE: “I intend to respond to all relevant questions regarding this lawsuit however at the present time my attorneys have counseled me that I cannot provide answers to any questions relevant to this lawsuit. I must accept their advice or risk losing my 6th amendment right to effective representation.” \\ BE: “Is it true that you employed [bleep] to contact underage minor females and make them appointments to be at your house?” // JE: “Again?” \\ BE: “Isn’t it true that you employed [bleep] for the purposes of contacting underage minor females and scheduling them appointments to be at your house?” // JE: “The current US attorney has described your law firm, Mr. Edwards, as a criminal enterprise engaged in one of the largest frauds in south Florida’s history. It has been reported that your firm fabricated multiple cases of a sexual nature against me and others in order to fleece unsuspecting investors out of millions and millions of dollars. So unfortunately I’d like to answer every one of your questions today, my attorneys have counseled me that today I must assert my 6th amendment, 5th amendment and 14th amendment rights under the US constitution. Though I believe you know I’d like to answer those questions but today at this moment I must assert those rights or risk having my attorneys resign.” \\ BE: “Tell the jury how you know [bleep].” // MP: “Form. Move to strike.” \\ BE: “Move to strike my question? On what basis?” // MP: “Do I have to say the basis? Usually I’m just required to state form.” \\ BE: “You’ve done more than that today.” // MP: “If I went on a diatribe of explaining, you know whats confusing compound, irrelevant then you would blame me for testifying for the witness so I just move to strike the question.” \\ BE: “Make sure we mark that somewhere on this transcript, somehow. Tell the jury how you know [bleep].” // MP: “Move to strike.” \\ JE: “I intend to respond to all relevant questions regarding this lawsuit however at the present time my attorneys have counseled me that I cannot provide answers to any questions relevant to this lawsuit. I must accept their advice or risk losing my 6th amendment right to effective representation. Accordingly I assert my 5th amendment, 6th amendment and 14th amendment right under the US constitution.” // BE: “Isn’t it true that you brought her to this country when she was underage and made her your sex slave and you have bragged about this.” \\ MP: “Form. Argumentative. Compound, harassing and calls for speculation.” //

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