Man on TV: “- that’s really not something to worry about right now.” //
Man: “Yeah? He is? Ok. Well you’re not coming in - if he comes in it’s going to be by force.” \\
[1:15 a sports channel is playing in the background] //
[1:36 knocking]
Man: “Alfredo how are you? Come on in. Good, good, good. Do you have the documents for me?” \\
AR: “Yeah I have a friend over there [unintelligible].” //
Man: “Absolutely, absolutely. [unintelligible]. Ok I just want to talk to you, though -” \\
AR: “No no no no no, he’s not come in I just wanted to -” //
[2:10 a sports channel is playing in the background] \\
Man: “You’re a smart man, I don’t blame you one bit.” //
AR: “You know [unintelligible - Brad?] a long time?” \\
Man: “Yeah I’ve done some work with him at the firm, he’s not my only client.” //
[2:33]
AR: “Yeah it’s a very very sensitive and crucial information that [unintelligible].” \\
Man: “It’s all here, I’ll wrap it. I’ll let you count it and we’re all done -” //
AR: “Ok so I just wanted to -” \\
Man: “Thousands, here’s fives [unintelligible] and it goes under [unintelligible]. Give me one second, let me put this back before we talk.” //
AR: “This is - because I’m not [unintelligible] I have access to crucial information [unintelligible] but of course [unintelligible] but this is to help Brad so you need to [unintelligible] these things from him and also I compiled a list of the people and a list of the girls in Palm Beach that were going - when I was household manager. Ok? But I took my time to organize this with stickers and actually dates. [4:00] Now this book, it was Jeffery Epstein’s property but because I’m the manager of the all the cars, we have to have all these planes, [unintelligible] so I’m not stealing anything that was my - tool of the trade. So this is information that I’m giving to him but you have to point out to Brad I went out of my way to point it out who was who - beyond that I don’t want them to call me, you know? I want you to remember this [unintelligible] this lady lawyer who was on my left next to Brad, she asked me if I know who was - the computer - we used to have Citrix [unintelligible] he used to be - the only one having access to his computer [unintelligible] they took hard drives, I don’t know but if you contact them [unintelligible] all the information.” \\
Man: “Ok. Do me a favor, go get the documents -” //
AR: “Yeah.” \\
Man: “- bring them in here, we’re going to lay them out on the table, we’re gonna look at everything, I’ve got questions from Brad I need to ask you that we don’t have to worry about meeting Brad again, I’ve talked to Brad and we’ll get that scored away.” //
AR: “Ok. Alright.” \\
[Silence 5:14 - 6:53]
[knocking] //
AR: “This is the - the real McCoy. [unintelligible].” \\
Man: “Ok. They burn this, is that what you said?” //
AR: “Yeah they make it [unintelligible] and I did went to detective Ricardo and he said he doesn’t have it, but [unintelligible]. I don’t know where it is. But anyway, here is all the [unintelligible] highlighted for you. [unintelligible] and when I had the subpoena [unintelligible] and it went to the garbage. [unintelligible] of course they asked me do you know? I say, no, or yes, but here is the evidence of names, last names, area codes, ok?” \\
[8:03]
Man: “Who created this book?” //
AR: “It was Epstein himself.” \\
Man: “This book was made by Epstein?” //
AR: “[unintelligible] all his planes they were supposed to have this [unintelligible].” \\
Man: “So he had a copy of these for everywhere he was?” //
AR: “Of course he’d say I don’t have it. Can I show you something?” \\
Man: “Absolutely.” //
AR: “This is a - I got something here for you but I’m gonna [unintelligible]. If you go one by one for instance, John Look, he used to own the current model agency for all the work he was the scout to bring in young girls to Epstein, that’s what he - [unintelligible].” \\
Man: “How do you know that?” //
[8:44]
AR: “Because he called me [unintelligible] for him personally I would pick him up at the airport.” \\
Man: “So you would pick up the girls?” //
AR: “With him, yes. All the time, ok?” \\
Man: “And you knew he was having sex with these girls?” //
AR: “No, he was not involved. He would leave this girls [unintelligible] operate planes they would [unintelligible] in Paris -” \\
[9:06]
Man: “No, I’m talking about Epstein.” //
AR: “Yeah.” \\
Man: “You knew Epstein was having sex with these girls that this guy [unintelligible] -” //
AR: “I didn’t see them but of course you are an adult I have two girls, all the Luella and the garden and so on, we look the other way because once after he leave the house we will find condoms [unintelligible]. I went to this two hours of testimony, you know? But this is the people that I can say in front of the camera, I know because I only saw the documents at home, because this agreement we have with Brad he does not - this he cannot tell anybody that whoever give you this, I don’t know.” \\
Man: “Where exactly did you find that?” //
[9:46]
AR: “This was in my desk I - let me explain. Epstein owned a house [unintelligible] Palm Beach, Paris, New York, Zorro Ranch New Mexico, the island, ok? He provided for my house my kitchen is 3x bigger and I have a desk there. This and other books that have information but this was supposed to go - I have to call the title I have there of and also on my computer but just in case of power failure, he was very organized I was supposed to leave this on every plane and every -” \\
[10:25]
Man: “How did - I mean, how did you keep that from getting destroyed?” //
AR: “Because, ok, good question. One day I took a Suburban - there were two Suburbans, identical for this task. One had OnStar, the other one didn’t have it or something. And Epstein said oh Alfred you took the one I like [unintelligible] because he probably knew that I was getting - I knew a lot of things. So he let me go. He paid me 3 months after that, no problem, good recommendation whatever it is but he knew already that - I didn’t have a clue, actually. You know. He was under investigation, being investigated [unintelligible] they showed me the - when I was subpoenaed with Brad, they showed bank statements [unintelligible] because [bleep] give me 30,000 dollars to go to [unintelligible] cash. [unintelligible] I’ve seen those they would do those from the bank and also the notes from the phone for the garbage. And the FBI was already telling him - I didn’t know it.” \\
[11:32]
Man: “The FBI was telling who?” //
AR: “The FBI was already involved with the [unintelligible] Palm Beach police department said we couldn’t find anything [unintelligible] of course Palm Beach was bought out or something, FBI got involved because these girls they came from out of state, out of the country so the FBI got involved. So I saw them both, Palm Beach police department [unintelligible] the subpoena and I say [unintelligible] but they don’t have nothing [unintelligible].” \\
Man: “Now you were - you were interviewed by the FBI?” //
AR: “Yeah.” \\
Man: “I remember you telling me that on the phone. How come you didn’t tell them about that - about that -?” //
[12:04]
AR: “No because they didn’t ask me - you know any phone numbers? I don’t have it.” \\
Man: “So you lied to them, essentially.” //
AR: “Well, yeah, because my wife told me look at this [bleep] [unintelligible] said to Brad - we are right now - [unintelligible] we were just about to lose the house and my, and I said to Brad, I said help me and I provided with a [unintelligible] you have his number? Yes, I do. Yes, I do. But help me out, and this is what we came -” \\
Man: “The only reason I’m asking these questions, and it’s not because I’m curious, by any means. It’s - I have to verify that - it’s a lot of money in there. And the money I’m giving you, but this stuff is real and you didn’t just go into a phone book and make up a bunch of names.” //
AR: “No, no.” \\
Man: “You know what I mean? Not that I don’t trust you but my job is to vet out any sort of -” //
[12:55]
AR: “This - you wanna call somebody, I don’t know.” \\
Man: “No I don’t need to call -” \\
AR: “Let me go on and you will see how deep is this, ok?” //
Man: “Yeah.” \\
AR: “Ok so we have general email - so here, another thing her highness her highness, Dutchess of York, personal friend of Epstein - all the time, is Jeff in the house? I don’t think she was involved at [unintelligible] it’s in the papers that -” //
Man: “Right.” \\
AR: “- with the signature, ok?” //
Man: “Ok.” \\
AR: “Alright. You will see a lot of important people here but let me just show you that [bleep] secretary of Epstein. [unintelligible] New York, emails, all of this was [unintelligible] I can’t remember - I was [unintelligible] ok? Ghislane Maxwell was his former companion, a very powerful lady from England - she would go up to the former Eastern countries in Europe and find girls for Epstein. And I knew that because I went with my wife, they used to have a computer so powerful they used to have water running to cool the computer because they used to download pictures like that so fast, girls - she has nice breasts, she has this and that -” //
[14:11]
Man: “You saw that stuff?” \\
AR: “Yeah.” //
Man: “On the computer, there were pictures of the girls?” \\
AR: “Mhm. //
Man: “Were they naked and stuff like that?” \\
AR: “Yeah. I testified that.” //
Man: “You testified that already?” \\
AR: “Yeah.” //
Man: “Ok.” \\
AR: “[unintelligible] but I couldn’t prove that. That’s why they need the guy that fixed the Citrix systems he [unintelligible] [bleep] ok. They asked me if I know, if I knew the guys who ran his estate in Manhattan. I said, I know it’s Joseph [unintelligible] I don’t remember his [unintelligible] domestic managing capital for Ghislane Maxwell. Ok, you can ask him they’re probably there, they’re still there there are a couple of [unintelligible], ok. Massage California, I didn’t personally knew that this girl was coming from California [unintelligible] the numbers, ok -” //
[15:02]
Man: “[unintelligible] those are California numbers?” \\
AR: “Yeah.” //
Man: “A lot of these are just -” \\
AR: “I know but the [unintelligible] but this is, you have to pick up on this information’s only for the - for Epstein, his associates, very close associates -” //
Man: “Right. So those are mostly underage girls? Those numbers?” \\
AR: “They were [unintelligible] - let me, let me - you gotta know this, you have to know this. My wife and I we own, we used to own a small coffee shop, mom and pop operation, and we wanted to buy the property because at that time, they were asking $300,000 commercial so I show up the papers to Mr. Epstein to tell him I said Mr. Epstein, can you help me, you know, and left and said give me a moment and he said call this person. So I called this person, beautiful girl, 28 years old, and I said [unintelligible] of course she was very eager to see me so at no time [unintelligible] throwing it out so I escort the two girls out of the house and we sat in the courtyard have a drink and she [bleep] wrapped around [unintelligible] ok so, we met for 10-15 minutes I was escorting out and he saw her and he said hey [bleep] hi Jeffery, big hug, ok thank you she walks [bleep] how can you dare to bring her to my house - Mr. Epstein you gave me her number. Yeah I didn’t told you to - I don’t want to see her again because at 22 years old and on she doesn’t want any girls [unintelligible] he’s sick -” //
[16:58]
Man: “So he didn’t like the fact that she was there because she’s an adult?” \\
AR: “Yeah, yes exactly.” //
Man: “Gotcha.” \\
AR: “So all the girls, all - we used to have in this refrigerator was ice cream for the girls. Cereal and skim milk, ok and this milk they [bleep] of course I was the boss so I have to know this, ok?” //
Man: “Sure.” \\
AR: “So massage parties. Some of these they were in the house in Palm Beach, ok? But there - the lawyers they want to see connections between these phone numbers and some of these girls that they’re suing because [bleep] they would say oh my god they’d put one and two, ok? Alberto Pinto is one of the most famous architects in the world. He designed his house in Paris. Called me all the time, all his numbers, very important people. [unintelligible] he was my colleague, house manager of the - of the property in Paris he asked me that question the subpoena. I didn’t - I didn’t have it. There it is. Ok? Let me go on. Sorry I’m kind of nervous -” //
[18:07]
Man: “No, don’t be nervous, we’re gonna take our time and go through this one thing at a time.” \\
AR: “Another thing Brad wants to know - massage in the island -” //
Man: “That’s the private island?” \\
AR: “Yeah, exactly. By Google it’s called Little St. James but he renamed the island Little St. Jeff because of Jeffery Epstein. Massage island, I don’t know if one of - and if these girls that came -” //
Man: “He’s got guys on there too, no?” \\
AR: “Yeah but you know -” //
Man: “He liked boys too, or just girls?” \\
AR: “No, I never saw guys here, but probably in some other places [unintelligible]. Now, in Manhattan, when any of the employees, females or males, were supposed to stay for business, he owned a building. Apartment building empty only for his - for his models. There is the address, I [unintelligible], ok?” //
[19:02]
Man: “For his models you mean the girls that he [bleep].” \\
AR: “Yes. And her friends and he, the way he operate [bleep] were young-looking, so he would be - the young looking - I mean, younger girls [bleep] vs. a 55 year old guy -” //
Man: “Gotcha.” \\
AR: “So they used to stay in that apartment, [bleep] [unintelligible] in the best restaurants, whatever after [unintelligible] very expensive ok? [bleep] She’s the mother of the kid that everybody ask me who is this kid, there is a girl on the second floor she showed me a naked chick and I says, I don’t know [bleep] because Epstein was the grandfather of grand, grand - how do you say it? Padrino?” //
[19:58]
Man: “Grandpa?” \\
AR: “No, no, no. [bleep] girlfriend [bleep] Miami and kept the Mercedes for the weekend, very good [unintelligible] {beep} so I took off, he takes off and the [bleep] were all attractive girls so I said, I opened the road for you so we can like [unintelligible] from Palm Beach to Miami, that type of things, you know that was normal, I mean he was back then, I will say to somebody I’m doing this, they’d say yeah, yeah sure, you’re a liar.” //
Man: “Right.” \\
AR: “Because it was, I mean a [unintelligible] thing only because the girls [unintelligible] very important guy. Here’s another one. Michelle Campos was the secretary that he was - [unintelligible] because he was fired for some other reason, you can have him as a witness she will testify very, very [unintelligible] -” //
[20:53]
Man: “What does she know about -” \\
AR: “Oh, she knows everything. She’s - Lesley is - ok, Epstein has a personal [bleep] used to be in bed, and everything but the secretary that knows everything the big picture is Lesley in New York, she still, as far as I know, I called a year ago for a reference for a job, Lesley was still employed by Mr. Epstein, ok? So if you call her, she will say well, you know - Leon Black used to call the house, the owner of [unintelligible] management, lot of money -” //
Man: “Mhm.” \\
[21:27]
AR: “Ok. Alan Dershowitz. They asked me, do you know Mr. - yes, he was in the house, what kind of - did he drink wine, would he sit by the pool with the girls - do you have phone numbers, no. I don’t. He’s a -” //
Man: “Who answered this?” \\
AR: “In court in the deposition.” //
Man: “Oh, ok the [unintelligible] -” \\
AR: “The lady - there was a lady - she was very interesting about this so I connected, I don’t know, because that particular moment I had to look for the reference to see, you know, but any - here it is. I have his card to - he was at the house every times Epstein -” //
Man: “Did you ever see any of these people donating [unintelligible] at the house?” \\
AR: “Not Dershowitz, because let’s say he used to go and take the son he has a glass of wine, the son [unintelligible] but he was to be honest with you I’ve never seen much since - all the things - around the pool they were naked, or topless. Some was completely naked -” //
[22:30]
Man: “These young girls?” \\
AR: “Yeah.” //
Man: “And you saw that with your own [bleep]?” \\
AR: “Everybody knows, you know? I’m gonna leave the number for Joe Piscopo, he’s a - you know -” //
Man: “Joe Piscopo?” \\
AR: “No, no it’s not [unintelligible]. The neighbor [bleep] again the crazy naked girls he’s still employed at 356 El Brillo in Palm Beach. [unintelligible]. The girls who used to come to the house and clean the pool [unintelligible] they’re coming tomorrow. [unintelligible] you know -” //
Man: “Yeah. [unintelligible]” \\
AR: “Yeah, exactly. Now, again in Palm Beach he's not the only one doing this but he was more than that, you know?” //
[23:17]
Man: “Right.” \\
AR: “Alan Dershowitz. Jeffery Epstein [unintelligible] all the phone numbers - his brother, ok - Eric Ganning is the lawyer he used to stay in my house - in the staff house - he was there fixing problems, sometimes the girls and this and that - anything that has to do with the law - Eric take care of that - and he came from [unintelligible]-” //
Man: “Do they know about him?” \\
AR: “Nobody knows about this guy, Eric - that’s what I put. Eric Ganning he’s a lawyer, he’s very close to him. Lives in Connecticut, ok? But he’s -” //
Man: ”What do you mean by he would take care of problems with the girls?” \\
[23:55]
AR: “He would came - not necessarily, let’s say one day - one time one girl crashed her car and they were trying to - so nobody gets involved - he flies in and -” //
Man: “Oh, bullshit like that - ok.” \\
AR: “Ok? He will do a lot of [unintelligible] for him and - ok. [bleep] he works with Jean Luc also recruiting. I put the arrows of the phone that I remember and some out here - they know, I know those numbers when they call to the house. Ok? So, it’s a good reference there. Ok. Senator George Mitchell every day he’s - Epstein is democrat so he was asking for money all the time. Now this is a very important one. Leslie Wexner, he was Jeffery Epstein’s boss. He owns The Limited, Victoria’s Secret - big bucks.” //
Man: “Right.” \\
AR: “Three times more than Epstein.” //
Man: “Wow.” \\
[25:02]
AR: “And a corporation from Ohio used to call from my insurance [unintelligible] they ask me about the thing and I said I don’t know there it is - address, phone number -” //
Man: “When you say they, you gotta clarify was this the -” \\
AR: “The lawyer -” //
Man: “- the FBI, the -” \\
AR: “No, no, no. The FBI - no, no, no. Not him. Not him. The FBI just went through the files of Palm Beach police department and they didn’t even subpoena me. Police sit down in a coffee shop in Palm Beach and we sit down there in a suit and tie and gentleman and a lady calling super educated people. I believe that they were - I couldn’t - they didn’t even tell you. They didn’t show you their ID, you cannot tell they are FBI guys. Young guy is good looking so they asked me [unintelligible] how long did you work - and I said well, you’re asking the same questions as the Palm Beach police department. They said to me, well now, Alfredo, this is in our hands because it’s beyond state borders. You know, because he was -” //
Man: “Because he was traveling?” \\
[26:03]
AR: “Exactly because he bring her from Paris, from the island, as a matter of fact I used to go to the international terminal for when they came from the island instead of the other [unintelligible] so -” //
Man: “But you had this book -” \\
AR: “All the time.” //
Man: “The whole time.” \\
AR: “I was supposed to have, let’s say I’m on the road [bleep] we’ll be there in Palm Beach tomorrow, can you call so-and-so, this was my bible. You know, because I was -” //
Man: “How come they didn’t take that away from you? When they were burning all these books?” \\
AR: “Ok. One Sunday, when I - last time I was there and Mrs. Maxwell just bought a new Mercedes - Alfredo, can you take me that - brand new - by [unintelligible] - can you take it to Miami to the private aviation northwest 36? Yeah, no problem, ma’am. Thank you, blah blah blah they were trying to be on good terms with me because they - you know they don’t want to - talk too much -” //
[27:03]
Man: “Yeah.” \\
AR: “So I took a couple of these with me, you know, I said, there were so many. There were so many. But they all - you know - here I go to the main thing - this is the guy the computer guys that know Citrix - he used to fly in - Epstein’s or private or the commercial and fix the computers. Ok? [unintelligible] -” //
Man: “Is this the guy that erased the hard drives?” \\
AR: “This is the guy.” //
Man: “Ok.” \\
[27:32]
AR: “Ok? Nobody else was supposed to touch those computers. They all have triple firewalls and the phone company also have a special guy I’m gonna tell you who it was, I mean, the phone company at that time was - it’s not [unintelligible] it’s a small company, but he was very particular of nobody else - I used to have the people and they weren’t [unintelligible] this page, the contractors who were allowed to stay on Epstein’s property. Joan Cassidy, AAC, and so on, you know, you hire somebody, I would be fired in a second.” //
Man: “Back to the computers - [unintelligible] did you ever see anything on those computers, anything - images of girls or -” \\
AR: “Exactly, I saw them.” //
Man: “You saw?” \\
AR: “Remember I told you there was - Ghislane Maxwell had an office under his stairs, next to the kitchen - downstairs, the computer that was regulated by water - first time in my life I saw that - to keep it cool - because they used to download pictures like this - just like that {snaps}.” //
[28:33]
Man: “What kind of pictures?” \\
AR: “Naked. Naked girls from Sweden, from Romania, from Czechoslovakia, from Brazil, from -” //
Man: “All minors? All young girls?” \\
AR: “Very young. Very young.” //
Man: “Like, when you say very young, how young are we talking about?” \\
AR: “16? 17? They’re teenagers, they have braces most of them.” //
Man: “Younger than that, though?” \\
AR: “Yeah, yeah.” //
Man: “Ok. And this -” \\
[28:54]
AR: “Now -” //
Man: “And this guy from Citrix, he erased all those images -” \\
AR: “I assume, I’m assuming, yeah, because -” //
Man: “Were you there when he came and did it?” \\
AR: “No, that was after my time.” //
Man: “Ok. Gotchu.” \\
AR: “This lady attorney asked me do you know who is the guy fixing the computers and I said I don’t remember his name, but [unintelligible], ok?” //
Man: “Yeah.” \\
AR: “So [unintelligible] my head spins every time I [bleep] it’s gonna take me a few minutes.” //
Man: “We were at Citrix was the last name we went over -” \\
AR: “Yeah it was. Citrix. Eric Ganning, George Mitchell, Citrix, ok? It’s labelled right there. Ok. [unintelligible] the architect he was in the house, he knew about things about the house, he can be subpoenaed and he was with me all the time. That’s a simple guy but he knows -” //
Man: “Right.” \\
AR: “Ok? And then [bleep] used to call to the house, she was friends with some - very young friends, I don’t know what’s their role but I just happened to - when I was looking through this book, I said, wait a minute I took messages from [bleep] I’m pretty sure she can be - very important. Of course Donald Trump I know that they subpoenaed him. Larry [unintelligible] was chief pilot, super nice guy. I’m sorry [unintelligible] but he knew a lot of things, he would buy cars for Epstein, sometimes in the absence of [bleep] bring two Suburbans and one Mercedes I’m gonna coast with the 727 inside the hangar we’re gonna put the red carpet [unintelligible] - that type of thing. Super guy. He lives in Singer island. Now, I know that they subpoenaed him and I said we don’t know the ages, and this and that, but ok. Abigail Wexner. Leslie Wexner’s wife. Ok. All his numbers - all his numbers - they were - I’m pretty sure they’re recorded in some way because he called almost every day. You know? Very powerful people. Here’s - and in Colorado, London, Albany, Georgia - you know this address is where they filmed Gone With the Wind?” //
[31:25]
Man: “Oh really?” \\
AR: “Yeah, it was [unintelligible]. Leslie Wexner The Limited, Inc. - this is in Columbus right? I don’t have my glasses - White House, the real white house - Pennsylvania Avenue. Jeffrey Epstein’s New York, ok, all his home numbers, ok, these persons that used to call constantly, I don’t know what they were [unintelligible] doing dirty work for him so I highlight those names for him - for Brad. Leon Fantamilla and Jojo Fantamilla - another couple from the Phillipines, they ran the house for Epstein.” //
Man: “Ok.” \\
AR: “Ok?” //
Man: “That the one in New York?” \\
AR: “Yeah, and it says here aka also known as Rosalinda Luciano, ok?” //
Man: “Ok.” \\
[32:13]
AR: “Tom Sawyer had - he fixed the phones - nobody else. Telephones, [unintelligible], ok?” //
Man: “Gotcha.” \\
AR: “[unintelligible]. Again, this is a different house, a different county but I’m pretty sure some of this that we’ll find connections on the girls. Ghislane Maxwell. Phone numbers and address in London. Ok. Palm Beach. 140. And I have more here. All these girls, 60% of these forms are in the lawsuits right now - so it’s very if you show this in court, you know, I don’t know if -” //
Man: “600% are so you’re saying 40% of those numbers are unknown to the police or to attorneys?” \\
[33:09]
AR: “And all these numbers, one way, at least twice, they contacted el Brillo way. If you subpoenaed the records it would put one on one the calls plus my taking the signature and message will you mean in the house it’s hard to deny that, ok this was my private phone number ok [bleep] was my assistant and this is the email that all the emails used to get to these Palm Beach manager at earthlink dot net.” //
Man: “Ok.” \\
AR: “Michael [unintelligible] there were eight people before me, there were a lot of people in and out because in regards to this account a special kind of people to - Mike Pezugo[?] he’s the neighbor. He says El Brillo neighbor, he knows a lot of things. He saw me on the street, we used to talk on something, he used to came to the house, he flew to the island with Epstein one time, to help over there so, alright? [unintelligible] landscape architect. He was in the house, but you know, again critical witness. Jeffrey Epstein Zorro Ranch this is in New Mexico this is the biggest ranch in New Mexico he was related to Bill Richards, governor of New Mexico, ok so, [unintelligible] New Mexico -” //
[34:35]
Man: “Those were all girls from New Mexico?” \\
AR: “Yeah all of these.” //
Man: “Those are girls numbers or these are girls numbers?” \\
AR: “All of this to here.” //
Man: “Ok.” \\
AR: “Ok? This is - oh yeah there’s more here. You’re right, you’re right. I don’t know this because I never interacted with New Mexico, ok?” //
Man: “Right.” \\
AR: “Ok. Jerome [unintelligible] I used to pay him [unintelligible] black guy from Dayton, you know, laid back but you know he asking you know the truth Christian guy -” //
Man: “And what is this?” \\
[35:07]
AR: “Ok now this is notes that I took from my notes, little things that were attached - some of this - they asked me if I knew [bleep] I used to have newspapers, you know, sometimes notes to myself for instance [bleep] [bleep] like with [bleep] all the time, casually [unintelligible] safe with 30, 40 thousand dollars, I don’t know the total - ok? The handgun that was to be in Epstein’s house when he gets to the house when he, by the way put it back into the safe and this type of things and I used to handle cash accounts, checking account and credit card for gas for all the vehicles. [unintelligible] Alfredo, it came to 30,000. Go to the bank and see the envelope in the truck and -” //
Man: “Unreal. Was that the same thing as -” \\
AR: “No. This is - ok this is coming - this lady attorney asked me if I know his email addresses and here they are: jeffrey@mindspring.com in Palm Beach. Gproject@yahoo.com in New York. Zorroranch@aol.com in New Mexico. Epsteinwonder is in Paris. Ghislane Maxwell, GMax1@mindspring.com. Team Newcomb, Citrix system programmer - I [unintelligible] Charlie Palmer, he used to be a chef in New York he used to cook at the house and he knew about - he’s - if you subpoenaed this guy, he knows what’s going on in the house. Joe Pagano he’s the chef also in Aspen he used to cook for him. Now this is another one. Christopher [uninteliligible] is a French guy, he used to work in jet aviation and whenever I needed some extra people moving cars he was always available. He wanted to have my job, so he was much, 2-3 years before me so he knew a lot of things, ok?” //
[37:15]
Man: “Gotcha.” \\
AR: “Secret service personnel escorting Mr. Barak Ehud, former prime minister [unintelligible] on Jeffery Epstein’s plane, I don’t know who was the secret service but I’m pretty sure they can say that we were in Palm Beach [unintelligible] not with Epstein -” //
Man: “Who was all on that plane and how’s that valuable?” \\
AR: “Because here Mr. Epstein said Mr. Barak I’ll fly you to New York and some of the girls that came up on the way were on a private plane -” //
Man: “Would be on the plane.” \\
AR: “Yeah.” //
Man: “Ok.” \\
AR: “So you thinking about the former head of state -” //
Man: “With these young girls -” \\
AR: “Yeah and I told Ms. [unintelligible], you know, you can bring this guy down in no time -” //
Man: “Alright. What else do you have?” \\
AR: “Jean Luc Brunel is a scout for young females to bring other - he uses a phone number that I don’t see in the book. David Copperfield the magician’s phone number - “ //
Man: “Let's talk about that.” \\
AR: “He was in the house performing tricks and if you subpoenaed him he would say well they were this age or not, I’m pretty sure he’s an important witness.” //
Man: “Ok.” \\
AR: “Now they were not naked when he was there but I served him dinner, you know, and [bleep] ok? This is the phone number of David Cook - I lost contact with him, he was the chef in Palm Beach, they used to fly with Epstein when I was in Palm Beach 2004-2005, witness interacted and chat daily with underage girls.” //
Man: “Gotcha.” \\
[38:43]
AR: “These I can file for - for Brad -” //
Man: “So that’s pretty much everything.” \\
AR: “[unintelligible].” //
Man: “Alright, I just have a couple questions that I need to go over from Brad. Just to reiterate, how do you know what was going on with the girls - you just, from you seeing them naked in the house or -” \\
AR: “Ok first the activity starts with the phone call, Sara usually was the ones, Alfredo [bleep] I need two massage tables. So I said, Luella [unintelligible] collapsible so [unintelligible] and then disappear because everything was supposed to be done but we were not supposed to be seen on the second floor, and when they leave - they used to go out to comedy shows or ice cream parlors and movies - a lot of movies, because they were little babies - ice cream and comedy and movies. Nothing else in the house. I actually - they went to - they’d leave the house Luella sometimes I have another girl I want to - they find out this they said the cleaning lady is Brad asked me, anybody else cleaning the house knew that? [unintelligible]. So one day, we used to know so that the disarray, the vibrators, creamers on the floor, you know there’s no massage there I mean, sex toys or -” //
[40:26]
Man: “So you used to see the sex toys and stuff like that? Cuz I read something in some of the police reports that Brad had in the files, you were in charge of cleaning somebody’s sex toys for him?” \\
AR: “Yeah. These cleaners ok, Francis the drunk, he was in the house years before me and when Epstein would leave the house I would call and [unintelligible] from top to bottom and they would find condoms, they would find -” //
Man: “After having these girls in the house?” \\
AR: “Yeah. Ok. I’m sorry, what was your question before?” //
Man: “I just had a list of questions here. Just to correlate with this information you’re giving me, how long ago was it that you were interviewed and you were subpoenaed, when was that?” \\
AR: “Ok, the first time I was subpoenaed with Palm Beach police department in Palm Beach court. That was 2006.” //
[41:24]
Man: “Alright and what about the FBI?” \\
AR: “FBI? A year after that.” //
Man: “A year after that?” \\
AR: “I was working for the [unintelligible].” //
Man: “And you told me about the computer, that had all the images on it you said that was downstairs in the - next to the kitchen?” \\
AR: “Yeah.” //
Man: “Was that password protected?” \\
AR: “I don’t believe so.” //
Man: “So you could just go on there and see whatever?” \\
AR: “I’d just turn it on and, you know -” //
Man: “And Epstein would sit on that computer?” \\
AR: “Yes. And actually, you know what I went to that computer it’s not because I was trying did something where I’m not supposed to - we lost power and my computer was [unintelligible] in the staff house so I went to the main house I needed to send some information after a hurricane or something, so he was I had camera, take the camera download it to the camera to [unintelligible] so this computer was working, one day my wife came to Palm Beach and I said you want to see something we saw the pictures here.” //
[42:27]
Man: “Did you ever see any email addresses for the girls?” \\
AR: “There [unintelligible] on the computers.” //
Man: “If they hadn’t been wiped out by that guy, right?” \\
AR: “[bleep] mom and parents, these are very young girls. Why do you have your parents phone number next to it?”//
Man: “Circle that for me will you?” \\
AR: “Yeah. I just put that type of thing highlighted but you will see that -” //
Man: “Well circle it for me so I know [unintelligible].” \\
[43:03]
AR: “And there’s another one you will see parent there [unintelligible] mom [bleep] and they told mom I’m in school [bleep] in public with my [unintelligible] and I saw a shitty car in the driveway and I called the police. I went over there and I said [unintelligible] hello let me see some ID and they - I didn’t know they wrote a report and the police they said [unintelligible] masseuse and they are young people trying to get sex [bleep] -” //
Man: “The only other question I have for you is do you know if Epstein had any hidden cameras in the house?” \\
[43:48]
AR: “Yes.” //
Man: “He did?” \\
AR: “Yeah.” //
Man: “Where were the hidden cameras at?” \\
AR: “In one - in the garage and one - this is his bed, he used to have an alarm clock and always the shutters were closed he was crazy about somebody peeking and this would project the time on the wall at night and in there was a camera.” //
Man: “And what did he do with the videos? You don’t know?” \\
AR: “No.” //
Man: “Well how did you know he had a video camera then?” \\
AR: “I saw it on the internet the police discovered those cameras.” //
Man: “Oh, really? Alright. But you don’t know where any of that stuff would be or anything?” \\
[44:28]
AR: “You know, if you contact the Citrix guy, you can subpoena him and he can not lie because there’s some record that will say even if you he erased it no the computer if you’re somewhere in the memories you can retrieve, hopefully, you know?” //
Man: “Ok.” \\
AR: “And if he will tell the truth he will say yes I was supposed to be doing this this and that.” //
Man: “Anything else you think might be helpful that you didn’t tell anybody about before?” \\
AR: “You know, well, call me, ok? You know my phone number but I will hate to be in court or [unintelligible] handwriting I don’t know who's going to have it [unintelligible] it doesn’t have my name, it’s my writing but just I just want to put this behind me and let’s help each other.” //
[45:17]
Man: “Alright, let me get you your money, buddy.” \\
AR: “Ok here.” //
Man: “Just leave it right there for now and I’ll get your money, you can count it if you want. I might as well give you this bag to take with you, you can’t walk out of here with this kind of cash. Go ahead and count it, and while you’re counting it I’m gonna call Brad and see if he has any additional questions real quick before I let you go.” \\
[bleep]
AR: “Hello, how are you?” //
Man 2: “Good, man, how are you doing? Stand up. Put your hands behind your back.” \\
[45:51]
AR: “What I have done?” //
Man: “Yeah, we’re done, go ahead, go to the car.” \\
Man 2: “We’re gonna talk about what you’ve done.” //
Man: “Yeah we just wanted -” \\
Man 2: “Do you have any weapons on you, Alfredo?” //
AR: “No, sir, no.” \\
Man 2: “What about out in the car?” //
AR: “No, no.” \\
Man 2: “Does your buddy have one?” //
AR: “No, sir, no.” \\
Man 2: “Well relax, dude. You’re not in any harm right now but we’re gonna talk about what’s going on - who’s car is that that you guys came in is that your -” //
AR: “That’s my car.” \\
Man 2: “There’s no weapons in it?” //
AR: “No, no.” \\
Man 2: “Ok. [unintelligible].”
[END TRANSCRIPT]
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/D ... 241270.m4a
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