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2/27/20 [REDACTED]
How do/did you feel about the sit. as a whole

It has effected [sic] my life greatly
False sense of love @ the time
they seem to be the only people who
care about you
seem to be family cause I didn’t have one
in my early 20’s I realized how the abuse
how effected [sic] me…
Personal, professional decisions were effected [sic]
my anxiety + depression comes in waves
my ex told me that he would be
happy to help because it messed up
our relationship for 7 years
effected [sic] trust issues, opening up, love values in relationship

JE + GM joked about my mother not being
smart and didn’t care about me
and wasn’t a good mother…and
I believed them and how they
show me how life worked…

JE thought I was grateful for how
he helped me in life

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when you get beaten into
submission so many times you
just start to believe that’s
how life is…and seeing
everyone else around them doing the
same thing

I did feel as though I held
a sexual value to them, but
I thought they also liked/cared
about me

He let me know that I
needed to be grateful for
all he had done for me
and the lessons he paid for…

Both GM + JE would make me
feel that I had to be grateful for
what they do for me…but mostly JE

over time I realized the relationship was
not what I thought it was
the crazy BF I had eventually helped
me to realize the situation was not
right → ~2002

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Darren, JE’s lawyer calls
me + says that I owe $10,000
for apt my mom subletted
my BF tells me to ignore JE
“ “ thought he was my godfather

when I heard about his initial arrest
I felt alone and horrible…
I learned it was a ton of girls
involved & felt guilty I didn’t say anything

around this time I had a convo w/
my sister about it n she may have
called me when it was on news…
she said she should have known. She’s angry
not sure if she asked me questions about
it but she wanted to do
something about it

I felt it would have been a pointless uphill battle

This convo w/ my sister helped me to
understand how I was abused/the situation

It’s effected [sic] me greatly / and my relationship +
w/ my family. I still have to [illegible]
through things

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effected [sic] relationships w/ my mother
greatly…has gotten worse over years
Now having kids + it’s worse w/ my mother.
I think my mother is damaged
I wonder if she was abused herself

When I was a kid, think my
mom wants her kids to be
special + great
she pushed that idea on us sometimes
not sure if we all got into show biz
because she wanted us to be famous
my father was famous in Sweden
she wanted us to be special + famous for her…
This may have effected [sic] how she viewed JE
She says always be grateful to JE
He wants to hang out w/ you for a
reason
as JE’s conduct got worse/sexually I didn’t
have a sense that I could tell
anyone…
mom is middle eastern taught that
we are expected to do what was
told as a woman, even if they are
beating you…I felt I couldn't say
anything

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my brother reminds me recently
that when I was 13 mom
smacked me for telling my
guidance counselor about my father

first instance sexually w/ JE I
completely froze…he went about his
business like afterwards like everything
was normal…I thought I couldn’t
tell anyone…I had to bury it

It was horrifying but they normalized everything
so it was ok, GM helped a lot w/
that…this is just what people do

Right away GM took on this sisterly
roll…”I’m like your big sister”
she made it all norma

we would have convos…she would tease me
about boys @ school. She takes me
bra shopping…she says once you have
a guy once they are “Grandfathered in”
it was like “cheeky big sister wisdom”

@ first I thought they were a couple…
then I thought they were married in [illegible]

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an assistant…their relationship was
sometimes unclear

some of the “grooming process” w/ them
happened prior to when sex happened
bra shopping, going to movies, hanging out by pool
she was topless by pool, she made it normal

first time I was 14yo…other girls (older than me)
were also topless by pool

movie’s [sic] was in WPB or PB…close drive from
JE’s house
was a normal movie theater…would go to [illegible]
shows - somewhat empty, around 5pm
they were not nice theaters
sometimes other girls came…they wouldn’t but candy or
popcorn, JE was very careful w/ his diet
pushed that idea on us
I knew I couldn’t ask because he fat shamed people

Don’t remember how they bought tickets…he must have
had the house manager go prior to
buy tickets…I have memory
of JE handing out tickets prior
to going in.

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There were no couches in movies
I would not sit right next to JE
JE would decide where we would sit

First incident
pool house

next incident
either his bedroom or massage room

some period of time when it was just me
+ JE
After time GM got involved, not sure
exactly what point she came in

there was GM, ~2 other girls + JE
(the first time GM got involved) it
it was very casual

[REDACTED] would join

first instance GM guided it but
other girls knew the routine

sometimes JE would request a massage and say
you girls come w/ me

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sometimes girls would make out,
while

averige [sic] incident…go up to his massage rm
he takes a shower, or just takes
a shower or he would be nude…
+ gets on massage table…some
girls would be talking, or laughing
it was casual…early on they didn’t
really talk to me…I would start
w/ foot massaging duty…I wanted
them to ignore me…GM would
make out w/ other girls…or taunt
other girls
GM…teasing other girls…giggles…grabbing
another girls breasts…
or tell another girl to get on top
of him…
she was bossy…just would tell
them what to do
she felt she had a big place in there…
power couple dynamic…you just
do what you’re told
you take all your clothes off except
the underwear @ first…just
throw clothes on ground

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all girls + GM, JE gets
on massage table mostly face
down
other girls would [illegible] massage him
and GM was there to direct girls what to do

sometimes this lasted a long time…very
tedious…would be talking and massaging
@ first for long time…casual
~ 30 min of just massaging
Then JE decides when he’s over
just chatting
he would turn around and
decide who he wanted to grab
or have grab him or have
sex w/

When I was on “foot massage duty” [illegible]
you seen sessions end in sex? Yes
Hand job? Yes
oral? Yes
him masturbating? Yes

The older the got the more I saw while w/ him

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it was a progression which generally
started w/ him masturbating leading
to sex [illegible]

First this started in PB
GM was present for those
incidents
I recall an incident in NY that
ended in full on sex that
I observed…in his massage [REDACTED] off
bathroom
me, blonde girl, 2 other girls @ end
GM + JE

he grabs the blonde girl very forcefulls
and has sex w/ her. she doesn’t
hesitate[?]...GM was there and
didn’t stop it or it was normal
JE never used protection
he pulls her onto him on
massage table
I’m not sure who the girls was…
maybe [REDACTED] was present
for this
After that incident ended I either went
back to my room or got driven home

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not sure where I was staying
that scene stuck w/ me so much
because it was somewhat violent…
not sure if this was the first
time I watched him have sex w/ someone

He had a thing for blondes
GM was present for the massages
that ended in sexual activity…it was
common but not as frequent because
as years went on the abuse got more
directed to just me and no one
else in rm…

Times sexually where it was just
you, GM + JE? Not sure

As JE progressed sexually w/ you
it would go back and forth
between just being me and JE to
getting back to the group thing
[REDACTED] was present (her husband was a [REDACTED] back then)
tall, thin, blonde hair
nice legs
[REDACTED]
lived in FL

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- there was a red headed girl
- girl named [REDACTED]
she could back up the gun situation
she was a model, way older
than me…she [REDACTED] them before
me
Pretty early on I saw GM naked…
~1994
saw her topless by pool w/in
a month of meeting her

first time seeing her full nude was in PB
massage scenario

GM making comments about my body? Not sure
but JE would
he took Polaroids of me…talked
about my ass getting fat ~15yo
in PB
Took pics of me
told me to face away
GM may have helped w/ that…she sided w/ him or giggle
JE got me personal trainer
which I worked out @ PB mansion

They both made you feel that you couldn’t eat
a lot

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NM
~ 3 visits
Not 100% sure how many times
feel like GM always came
others also came…
Mark (his brother) one time
on his private plane ← first time w/ just GM + JE
traveled there for weekend and I was somewhat
ignored…they had meetings…I was
told to go hiking
Not sure why I was brought…I thought
he wanted to impress me
but @ the time I didn’t care or
wasn’t impressed
He would brag about his properties
he wanted to be a mentor
don’t remember if GM talked up ranch
while in FL didn’t need [illegible] license
to fly
I would tell my mom I want
to go and she says yes
First trip JE wanted me to go…
ordinarily he would ask me
and I would ask my mother
but sometimes he would have female
assistants call

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The first time I flew on private
jet was to NY

first trip to NM his driver picked me
[REDACTED] my house…drove me to
PB
JE’s house is the go to
airport from there
not sure who drove to airport
drive right up w/ the planes @ airport
I’m in back seat in car
w/ JE

on @ least on [sic] occasion he sit in front (not driving)
+ GM sits in back w/ me
JE would get out and we just
are supposed to follow

Flight records
First flight private jet
I think to NY
w/ several people on flight
pretty sure his brother
maybe his mother
others I didn’t
know

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asks names of people on flight → from log
Recall these names? [REDACTED] Yes
Jeff Shuntz[?]? No
[REDACTED] Yes
she was his ex gf
and [illegible] friends
Just met her a few times
not sure if she was part
of massages

Next private flight?
I think to NY

Maybe 3rd was NM
Remember flying from
NY to NM?
Yes…was a couple other people on plane…
chef may have come w/
2 other men possibly
Time that you flew
to NM w/ just JE + GM could
that have been from NY?
Yes
Do you remember how you got
to NY first? I may have
flew up from FL to
NY for this NM trip…
not totally sure though

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First NM trip activities?
horses being around
hiking
do not recall specific abuse
didn’t do much…just
sat around
Did he have massage rm in NM?
I don’t remember
Probably tho
Recall any specific abuse that happened in NM?
not sure
The place was dark
don’t remember much details of location
If there was abuse there it wouldn’t
have been a group thing
can’t remember anything specific
had my own rm in NM
NM was my most foggy memory

Ever times that JE come into your own Rm?
No
Remember how you left NM? (first weekend)
not but @
least 1 trip home I flew
commercial from NM…
I had to be driven to airport
I would of [sic] had to be home in time
for school, that all due Sunday

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asked about Friday flight in 1997
from NJ Teterboro to NM
do you remember leaving @ end
of weekend…
there was a driver who brought me
to airport
(NY driver from Tibet)

first trip to NY was just to go
have fun…may have went to
see Lion King…some others were
just “catching a ride”

FL to NY on a Monday?
doesn’t stick out in my mind
specifically
he didn’t want me to miss
school
First flight to NY
GM + JE picked out outfit for me,
pennie [sic] loafers, Ralph Lauren sweater
plad [sic] pants

NM → FL 2001 flight record?
Prob the last time I
saw him…it was shortly after
this I met that[?] boyfriend

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I was living in LA…but maybe
had time off work

he was coming to LA w/ a bunch of
people and told me I had to
come w/ him on this trip…
I felt I was being treated as an
adult that doesn’t need to get
involved anymore
we flew to NM from LA…then
to FL on his jet or maybe a charter not sure
He may have been showing me off

NM for ~ a day
FL for ~ 2 days
Then flew on my own back to LA

Henry Gerecky?
sounds familiar
Marvin Minsky?
No
I got a few weeks off starting around holidays

FL→NY May 1998
Glen + Evan[sic?] Dubin?
Maybe
[REDACTED] Yes I think so

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I liked [REDACTED], we hung out she was nice
I thought she was so cool

[REDACTED] was friends of [REDACTED], that we
would sometimes go out drinking
white Russians together

[REDACTED] was involved in the sexual conduct
[REDACTED] may have worked for JE’s company
not sure if involved in abuse
[REDACTED] took orders (sexually) from both
JE + GM
She had very large and nice
impressive breasts that I
remember
either happened in FL or NY
GM tells [REDACTED] what to do
not sure exactly what to do

What would GM tell you to do?
she may have coached or
taught me what to do…
how specific were her instructions?
kind of physically not
as much verbally…
guide them where on his body
to massage

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GM was present for [illegible]
w/ others
masturbation
hand job
oral
sex
w/ you? I can’t remember
GM roll [sic] was to normalize it all

she wouldn’t talk about the
sex acts before or afer
in the beginning I was on foot massage to
watch and learn how to do all the other stuff
did she know that JE
was having sex w/ you? Yes
She was witness to all the
instances that happened in the Rm
GM was never present for sex s/ me + JE
oral?
Handjob?
can’t remember

me pinching his nipple while he
masturbated GM was
present for this
JE was touching me on my breasts/my butt
don’t remember if he touched my
vagina
GM may have been present when JE used
a vibrator on my vagina

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- GM may have given me a vibrator in
a box for Christmas…I threw it out
I was living @ home…was either PB or NY
was in HS @ time…was embarrassed

GM touch or kiss you? I don’t think so

“know your audience” on why she
may have kissed other girls + not me

certain girls didn’t have a problem w/ it as
much as some other girls…based on
their sexual experience…background..willingness

He was milder sexually w/ me I/F/O {in front of} other
people (this includes Maxwell)
maybe @ most I put my hand
on his penis

GM bragged about who she dated and her
conquests - she was the female version of JE
GM talked about her sexually interactive w/
other people…not w/ JE
I didn’t notice any sexual energy w/ them
they seemed to be like partners in crime

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GM in general would direct…can’t remember specifics

NM trip just the 3 of you?
or any specific abuse you recall
@ all in NY?
don’t remember
GM would have been present for oral sex
w/ other individuals Yes…me
not sure but possible
GM present for oral sex, sex w/ others FL + NY yes
group massage…one girl gets upset…
doesn’t want to give massage says
has BF
Shutters on the beach (CA)

There may have been another incident that occured in NY
when a girl was upset/apprehensive

I met Harvey Weinstein @ a golden globes
party while w/ JE
JE introduces me
JEJ says “hands off my girl”
and they laugh

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Interlochen…turned 14 that summer
is it possible you met JE after
you turned 14? Yes
I based me meeting him @ 13 on
the summer I was @ summer camp
thought it was before my b-day
which is August

Still living in FL…still 14 YO when a
fair amount of abuse happened
@ some point GM + JE come to my home
prior to abuse
While 14 interaction w/ photographer happened
group abuse happen w/ GM + groups
happen
Pace things moved w/ JE?
Fairly quickly all while still 14

Me touching his penis? Right after the
pool house unit
I started being expected that
something always happen when I go
there…GM was usually there
in beginning
JE would just grab me +
just say come w/ me to abuse

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GM ever follow you up w/ JE when
abuse occurred
Probably about once
there were times where she was
present and JE took me for abuse
upstairs
There were times when she told me JE wants to see you…
which lead to abuse
Was directed to the massage rm by GM
when some one else was there

oral sex w/ JE took about a year…
while still in FL
The sex rape happened in NY - don’t remember
where I was living @ time
Was 18 while @ [REDACTED]

I think I was staying w/ JE @ that time…visiting
go back to my rm
Pregnancy concerns?
Yes, I had them I didn’t
talk to anyone about that
I bought pregnancy test hadn’t
had period for ~ 6 months
He never used protection I wasn’t
on BC

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That type of assault continued while
I was living in NY
not sure if GM or JE ever
visited me @ [REDACTED]
they wouldn’t

Come to your house in FL?
1-2 times
maybe a year or 2 after
meeting him
From when I met JE to when I moved
to NY I lived in the same house
in [REDACTED]
3-BR house
Next summer went to [REDACTED]
then went to [REDACTED]
outside of [REDACTED]

94, 95, 96 - [REDACTED]
97 - [REDACTED]
Summer before senior year in NY?
1998
17-18 yo
all in NY
stayed in one of JE’s apts…
stayed @ his mansion for a bit
moved into wall St. apt ~ prior to starting school
was my responsibility to fine me + my mother a
place to stay

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wasn’t sure in JE was going to pay
for this
Just looked for cheapest place to live
w/ 2 bedrooms

I told JE I found an apt
not sure how I found…he may
have had someone help I’m not sure

[REDACTED]
mother forced me, I didn’t want to
Swedish friend in FC…modelling agent
not JE related
prior to my senior year
dress shopping?
I remember shopping w/ my
mom in PB, buying dress…
I hated it
Remember [REDACTED] helping?
No
I remember meeting her in NY @
some point…she came to [sic]
JE’s mansion
She wasn’t really around much -
she is 10 years older than
me she had 3 kids abroad
and lived in Boston

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Don’t remember context of the visit
to JE’s mansion

GM made threats?
[illegible] stern phone calls for being ungrateful
set up appointments. She made travel arrangements
talking about when/how/logistics
Travel arrangements for commercial[?] flights
were made by GM….I heard her
on phone…booking flights
not sure who exactly she called
but she made calls…
she would talk to me about upcoming trips…
don’t recall word for word

Traveling from 1 place to another did sex
abuse occur on other end?
Yes…
It always occurred
on other end…maybe
there was 1-2 times it didn’t
happen
First trip to NY did abuse
happen…Yes but I don’t specifically
remember that abuse
Not sure how I got back home for first time

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had any particular feeling on first trip home
from NY?
Not that I recall

are there times when you left NY
and felt relieved to be leaving?
every time

Generally every time I traveled w/ them I
was abused
Both 1 on 1 and in groups
GM was involved in
the group sex that happened
in NY

JE touching your breasts incident…
you know where that
was? Maybe [REDACTED]
w/ GM present
When things escalated to oral sex?
That started on the
1 on 1 times
GM didn’t discuss the abuse
after you ask how it was
Trump allegation?
No, there was some pictures
circulating of me w/ diff name saying
I’m a vic of Trump

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wasn’t @ first afraid of JE…
but once I broke free I was
not sure what he would do

after that time period I didn’t learn of
any additional vics of his

I remember reading some things about girls
disappearing…hearsay from vics attorney [REDACTED]
and reading things

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/D ... 276919.pdf